Bartz skill work -Stage 2

[RagoueL]

Report here any skills that still dont work/land etc

Make your reports in categories


Skills not landing


Skills overpowered


Skills landing to often


Skills giving the wrong effect


Skills that have to much reuse time



Misc things that need to be changed.

[RagoueL]

Skills not landing


Skills overpowered


Skills landing to often

Anchor[Soul Taker]


Skills giving the wrong effect

Stigma of Shilien[Shilien Saint] note: does not apply blessed spirit shots. done
Block Shield[Shilien Saint,Hierophant] doesnt remove shield effect note: i would change it into a -23% p def debuff.
Lighting Strike[Shilien Templar] Does ridiculous damage for their m atak,5k crits? lol
Pain of Shilien[Shilien Templar] PoS lvl isnt increased by magic damage.
Spirit of Phoenix[Phoenix Knight] SoP lvl isnt increased by magic damage.
Seed of Revenge[Hell Knight] SoR lvl isnt increased by magic damage.
Eva's Will[Eva templar] Eva's will lvl isnt increased by magic damage.
Mystic Immunity[Hierophant] Doesnt block magical debuffs at all.
Block Wind Walk[Hierophant,Eva Saint] doesnt remove wind walk effect note: i would change it into a -33% speed debuff
Over the Body[Titan] Doesnt stack with prophecys anymore,before update it was changed to do it.
Increase Power[Doombringer] It doesnt stack with Might effect,before the update it was changed to do it.

Skills that have to much reuse time

Throne Root[Shilien Saint]
Mass Recharge note: Before the update it was seted to 1 min reusedone
Spirit of the Phantom[Spectral Master] note: i suggest the reuse to be seted at 10 mins. done
Spirit of the Unicorn[Elemental Master] note: i suggest the reuse to be seted at 10 mins. done
Spirit of the Cat[Arcana Lord] note: i suggest the reuse to be seted at 10 mins. done
Soul Gathering[Kamael Race] note: i suggest 60 seconds reuse,it just gives 8 souls lol.done
Body Reconstruction[Doombringer] note: i suggest 5 mins reuse. done but not 5 minutes
Sword Shield[Doombringer] note: i suggest 5 mins reuse. done but not 5 minutes


Misc things that need to be changed

[Ninia]

Skilss not landing
SPS-Auraflash,Frost armor,surender. +Crt rate dicreasing

[Innie]

Skills no landing

Sand Bomb

Freezing Strike

Critical Wound

Bluff

Bleed

Trick

Counter Evasion

Skills Landing to often

Anchor

Death Mark

Imbue Dark Seed

Skills without delay or very fast

Warpdone

Soul Strikedone

Skills lasting to much time

Death Mark 30 seconds isnt that much

Silence done lasts only 30" now

[Gift]

augment reuse.. set it back to 2 - 3 seconds pls. this 10 sec delay is crucial,especially since they're so weak now

[Zeelda]

Skil dont Work:
Curse of Desparion I think i might have fixed it. i need you to test it again
Class:
Soul Taker`s

[Zeelda]

Skills that have to much reuse time
Curse of Abyssdone
Class Soul taker.

[Mony_Mony]

Cubics time.. we must very fast summon it again :/ fixed

[RagoueL]

Skills no landing
Sand Bomb
Freezing Strike
Critical Wound
Bluff
Trick

Innie we gave all these a boost of x10 this morning with fire and we tested them live with zodiac,bamboo and a couple of other players, both in mages and in fighers and they were working fine. around 1/7


augment reuse.. set it back to 2 - 3 seconds pls. this 10 sec delay is crucial,especially since they're so weak now
Gift i allready reduced the reuse delay to as it was before the update. what skill are you using that has that 10 sec delay?

[Innie]

Innie we gave all these a boost of x10 this morning with fire and we tested them live with zodiac,bamboo and a couple of other players, both in mages and in fighers and they were working fine. around 1/7


Gift i allready reduced the reuse delay to as it was before the update. what skill are you using that has that 10 sec delay?

What skills ? OMG trick never land 1/200 today i try with one dagger of Bamboo clan and simple no work , Sand bomb has a low chance and anothers too


Pm in game and let's try to you see

[RagoueL]

What skills ? OMG trick never land 1/200 today i try with one dagger of Bamboo clan and simple no work , Sand bomb has a low chance and anothers too


Pm in game and let's try to you see

omg yes innie you were right.. although we changed them the change didnt apply to the skills. i fixed it now. it should be a lot better now.

[adriel77]

Skills no landing

Sand Bomb

Freezing Strike

Critical Wound

Bluff

Bleed

Trick

Counter Evasion

Skills Landing to often

Anchor

Death Mark

Imbue Dark Seed

Skills without delay or very fast

Warp

Soul Strike

Skills lasting to much time

Death Mark

Silencedone lasts only 30" now


lol....dark seed land but whit mi trickter i need 2 paralize to kill one dagger

death mark dont land always and have more reuse time

warp reuse time is good...trikster is a weak player

Dekoy have much reuse time...and fear no land done also increased the time that the effect lasts

daggers have mucha p def and much evasion...

i dont have patak,p,def,evasion,accuracy,crit rate,crit pòwer

only i have atak speed,mdef and speed........thats good???

mi char need more p atak...


Edit: Mi Crit Rate is 407 wtf and whit soull
449 but i lose -500 p def

[Mony_Mony]

If you want be archer make this class, you have debuff, cleanse, anchor and more skills, archer dont have, you cant have all. Warp reuse good? sure lie more.
I see you want make kamael op archer with debuffs and skills w/o any reuse
Why only for Ai clan and his ally with kamaels is everything ok? Because only they use this class, easy, i never saw nobody from them fighting with kamaels, so they want make class op

[adriel77]

If you want be archer make this class, you have debuff, cleanse, anchor and more skills, archer dont have, you cant have all. Warp reuse good? sure lie more.
I see you want make kamael op archer with debuffs and skills w/o any reuse
Why only for Ai clan and his ally with kamaels is everything ok? Because only they use this class, easy, i never saw nobody from them fighting with kamaels, so they want make class op

yea the problem is when i use mi skill all start to QQ......im sick of this.

now i need 3 seed to kill 1 archer or dager..before update only i need 1

[Mony_Mony]

yea the problem is when i use mi skill all start to QQ......im sick of this.

now i need 3 seed to kill 1 archer or dager..before update only i need 1

sure... warp, warp, warp, warp, warp (w/o any reuse), death mark, rout or anchor and bb... this is pvp kamael vs archer. And you want maybe more p attack, crit rate and range? Of course Ai make kamael op c'mon

[Jimaras]

i have to log about 2 weeks and i cant say for sure that stun lands 1/20 tiems.Or it has been fixed?

[RagoueL]

i have to log about 2 weeks and i cant say for sure that stun lands 1/20 tiems.Or it has been fixed?

which class jimaras??

[adriel77]

Skills no landing

Real target 1/15 done
:(

[TeyTey]

Skills Landing to often

Anchor

Death Mark

Imbue Dark Seed

Skills without delay or very fast

Warp

Soul Strike

Skills lasting to much time

Death Mark

Silencedone lasts only 30" now

+1 Warp reuse delay is very fast Soul Strike dont even hav a reuse and Imbue Dark Seed lands too often :/ take a look pls im getting bored of these skills done reduced a bit

[adriel77]

+1 Warp reuse delay is very fast Soul Strike dont even hav a reuse and Imbue Dark Seed lands too often :/ take a look pls im getting bored of these skills

nefred mi class more.....

[Innie]

omg yes innie you were right.. although we changed them the change didnt apply to the skills. i fixed it now. it should be a lot better now.

Thanks
But need +4 to fix ^^

Skills it no landing

Bluff

Bleed

Trick

Freezing Strike (PS : You increase damage , but no debuff chance i hit 1,2k in archers xD , but debuff no land , less damage and increase land chance =p)

[RagoueL]

Thanks
But need +4 to fix ^^

Skills it no landing

Bluff

Bleed

Trick

Freezing Strike (PS : You increase damage , but no debuff chance i hit 1,2k in archers xD , but debuff no land , less damage and increase land chance =p)

I need to restart server for the skills to take effect. but i couldnt do it today because of the sieges. i ll do it in the morning .

[Innie]

I need to restart server for the skills to take effect. but i couldnt do it today because of the sieges. i ll do it in the morning .

Ty Rago <3

[Haste]

Skill with way too damn much reuse time would be :Final Form which is about nearly an hour reuse.At 1 point on blaze it had a short reuse.We arent retail so dont type retail to this post.1 hour is way too long for a reuse time.I like using final form to farm sometimes.I hate playing mages honestly.Just my oppinion on the matter.anything will beat 1 hour reuse time lol.Thanx

done it must have around 15 minutes reuse delay now.

[RagoueL]

Pls stop spamming on Threads that have to do with ingame issues bugs etc.

Btw i didnt see any mages complaining about anything (except 1 or 2 skills on soultakers and mystic muse )

[Gift]

hey ragouel,ur doing a good job with the skills,and i know u still have alot of work to do,but back to the skill augment reuse delay,this was also a problem ceph had.i know it shows as if u changed them back to 3 secs,as it may show on data,but in game,the reuse is really 4-5.i tested it out with ceph before to get this down to exactly 3 secs,so if u want when ever ur available to test it out,let me know. but yea,on data u gotta lower the time by about 2 secs so it can be about 3 secs in game.

[Innie]

Ragouel make a nice work to daggers , later i go try Warlord but ragouel is really very good !!

[DeShaBoo]

Skill with way too damn much reuse time would be :Final Form which is about nearly an hour reuse.At 1 point on blaze it had a short reuse.We arent retail so dont type retail to this post.1 hour is way too long for a reuse time.I like using final form to farm sometimes.I hate playing mages honestly.Just my oppinion on the matter.anything will beat 1 hour reuse time lol.Thanx

done it must have around 15 minutes reuse delay now.

15 mins final form would be cool for oly.

As for other skills,Anchor stills lands way too much,unless the fixes of my thread wasnt applied yet for last siege.

Dark seed and death mark should remain as they are,thats about all tricksters can do,increase real target land rate as it should be (its 100&#37; in retail btw) and stop mixing kamael classes :/ trickster arent soulhounds and soulhounds arent tricksters.

[Innie]

Skills landing to often

Shield Stun

Soul Breaker

Shield Bash

Shield Slam

Judgment

Tribunal

[RagoueL]

Skills landing to often

Shield Stun

Soul Breaker

Shield Bash

Shield Slam

Judgment

Tribunal

I think i might overdone thoses skills. I had them set x10 ,
i reduce it at x5 it should be better now. I also made the effect of
Shileld slam from 1 minute (which i had it set) to 30 seconds

p.s just a not so you dont get me wrong. i lowered the base land rate of all those skills. But........ if someone has that skill enchanted to +16.+17 etc then its normal to land more often .

[Titey]

Don't spam this thread with anything that isnt related to skills!

[Ahmazon]

All stuns land 100%

[-Orakel-]

watched Oly fight some mins ago and PK keep Shield Stun during whole Oly fight , land rate 100&#37;....

[Innie]

Tanker stun + Tyrant stun lands 100&#37;

[nikollaz]

Contagnion (doombringer) doesnt have any effect, i cant even use it, it always say that i dont meet the neccersary requirements.

Also i dont know if this goes on this thread, but beleth doesnt give m def anymore, take a look on this

Skills not landing to often:

Shadow bind, voice bind, soul vortex, lightting shock

[Ahmazon]

All stuns land 100%


I just test again!
Only the stun PK and Khavatari are bugged!

[tyrantgee]

Tanker stun + Tyrant stun lands 100&#37;

i dont know bout u innie but if u are getting stuned by carebear then u will get stuned mostly all the time he has 20+ chance. if u get stun by me it will be lesser i have 18+ stun its about right to get stun alot.


I just test again!
Only the stun PK and Khavatari are bugged!
and no they are not bugged u guys are just fighting people who enchanted them past 15+

[RagoueL]

i dont know bout u innie but if u are getting stuned by carebear then u will get stuned mostly all the time he has 20+ chance. if u get stun by me it will be lesser i have 18+ stun its about right to get stun alot.


and no they are not bugged u guys are just fighting people who enchanted them past 15+


I only lowered the base land land rate of those skills. If you have it <+16 then i wont affect you. a stun +18 is suppose to land a lot more often than +0.

[RagoueL]

Contagnion (doombringer) doesnt have any effect, i cant even use it, it always say that i dont meet the neccersary requirements.

Also i dont know if this goes on this thread, but beleth doesnt give m def anymore, take a look on this

Skills not landing to often:

Shadow bind, voice bind, soul vortex, lightting shock

I fixed Beleth ring as it was before the update.
Contagnion requires certain conditions to work but it works fine. you have to use Blade rush on your target first and if blade rush has an effect (bleed) then contagnion will work.
Shadow bind and voice binf landed on me 1/4 with 2947 m def. so its fine the way they are.
I increase the land rate of soul vortex it 1/6 now
I increase the land rate of lighting shock its 2/10 now

[nikollaz]

I fixed Beleth ring as it was before the update.
Contagnion requires certain conditions to work but it works fine. you have to use Blade rush on your target first and if blade rush has an effect (bleed) then contagnion will work.
Shadow bind and voice binf landed on me 1/4 with 2947 m def. so its fine the way they are.
I increase the land rate of soul vortex it 1/6 now
I increase the land rate of lighting shock its 2/10 now

Ok i will take a look on contagnion, and about the others, i will give them a shoot :P

Thanks rago

[Haste]

Before the update dash had a quicker reuse time.dash on my th lasts around 14 seconds,the old reuse would always make dash refresh 2 seconds before it finished,now the reuse is longer lasting 3 seconds after the skill finished before we can reuse dash again.Not sure if any other th is noticing it.Its tough now to catch a good archer now who has counterdash,and dash etc we cant keep up if for 3 seconds we have to wait before we can hit dash again.3 seconds is along time in a match thats based on speed.while a counterdash archer well lol they dont gotta click anything really.Just my oppinion.I play both archer and dagger.And why does exciting adventure reuse last like 7 minutes?the skill doesnt work normal like its supposed too either way.Basically gives a nice lil boost in run speed also but i notice the rest of what its supposed to give you dont notice a differ at all.its always been that way since the skill was implemented too l2j.it works differ in retail but we arent retail.and never will be.but maybe we can take 7 mins down to 1 minute or something beings it just really gives run speed boost.Also mirage lasts 1 minute just to show u people im not just for daggers.Mirage works the whole 60 seconds and it should be nerfed down too like between 10 and 20 seconds.Thats for daggers.Now for kamael i still think final form should get a 5 minute reuse time.Rather then a 1 hour lol.Anyways if yall need me to retype or explain anything i wrote i would be happy too.i am in a rush so im typing paragraphs at a time LOL.later

Dash fixed as it was before the update

[Oryza]

Nerf my class please. Dagger is OP QQ

Skills landing to often

Bluff 90&#37; land QQ it's better 30%-40%.

And all skills reuse longer than before ...

[Mony_Mony]

Bluff fixed from 0&#37; to 100%... land to much LOL

[Innie]

Nerf my class please. Dagger is OP QQ

Skills landing to often

Bluff 90% land QQ it's better 30%-40%.

And all skills reuse longer than before ...

Bluff can back to 1/4 and all skills is good ..

[Daker]

Well i think this is the classic l2j problem... All skill or land too often or never land...Maybe gms need to take some ppl and listen to their advice....For example...All told that tyrant stun land too often...How u can say that if u dont know what we have?I have full rb set(15&#37; frintezza 20% zaken 30% antharas more land rate) and stun +20 ...Its a pvp server men...how can i kill a cardinal in oly if my stun never land?we need balance in this server=equal chance of winning for all

[Mony_Mony]

ok increase or reduction land rate, but no from 0&#37; to 100% or from 100% to 0% LOL
Was good before update :/ ask cephius what he put there when he fixed skills and finish this problem.. :/

[nikollaz]

Skills not landing:

Surrender to unholy (soulhound) 0/20 against players, 0/20 against iop mobs

[Mony_Mony]

Skills not landing:

Surrender to unholy (soulhound) 0/20 against players, 0/20 against iop mobs

So we need to fix more things lein and you know.
Why you post only skills that not landing and you dont post nothing about soul web? next desh? try to make his class op?????

SOUL WEB LAND ON SK WITH CUBICS ALL THE TIME

[nikollaz]

So we need to fix more things lein and you know.
Why you post only skills that not landing and you dont post nothing about soul web? next desh? try to make his class op?????

SOUL WEB LAND ON SK WITH CUBICS ALL THE TIME

I cant heal it with soul clenanse either, and? Do you see me screaming on forums and trying to ofend another ppl for that?

[Mony_Mony]

I cant heal it with soul clenanse either, and? Do you see me screaming on forums and trying to ofend another ppl for that?

But you dont fight everyday with this class :) and you dont get it everyday..

And about SOUL WEB was before update and still nobody fixed it.. We w8 more

[nikollaz]

But you dont fight everyday with this class :) and you dont get it everyday..

And about SOUL WEB was before update and still nobody fixed it.. We w8 more

The GM was already informed months ago, we dont need ppl that reminds us whats wrong and whats not because you get that skill everyday, and also if you havent anything that helps the thread it is taken as spam, ragouel please delete this posts, are just useless

[RagoueL]

whats soul web??
whene ur refering to a skill pls tell me which class has it.
I dont know all class skills and it saves me a lot of time searching for it ;)

[Innie]

Soul Web perfect work i try yesterday

[TheLastRebel]

hi, i noticed that the Bluff of an Wind Rider land much more/faster than a bluff from my advanture?? can u check this out for me plz??

greetz TheLastRebelNL

Its the same skill for all Dagger classes

[Mony_Mony]

The GM was already informed months ago, we dont need ppl that reminds us whats wrong and whats not because you get that skill everyday, and also if you havent anything that helps the thread it is taken as spam, ragouel please delete this posts, are just useless

LOL maybe they forgot about this and if you put here only skills not working, but you know all have problem with soul web, and you dont info GMs again about your skill its mean you are sux. Daggers report bluff because land to much and cheaters like you dont info about his op skills.
Btw they was informed months ago but update was week ago, so you should info again..
But maybe you want stay with this op skill... So i report it again TNK ^_^
And i think it helps this thread, skill land to much and cubics cant remove it, so failed lein

[Oryza]

And after 1 day OP with 100&#37; Bluff land rate. Now this skill sux again.

Please GM check SPS dmg .... it's unbelievable, that a noname SPS could kill a lv 87 champion in 3-4 hit lol ... it's really cool.

[RagoueL]

The sps damage is the same. I m 100% i know the character who did that damage to you....

Is he player ZICHI?

[Ahmazon]

One SpS kill Chimera with 3~5 hits, debuff atk(like icebolt) Oo"

Name: DIVA

[Mony_Mony]

I dont know but something is wrong with my cubics or players have really strong debuff... my cubics are sleeping, really... remove debuffs but after some hits...

[nikollaz]

LOL maybe they forgot about this and if you put here only skills not working, but you know all have problem with soul web, and you dont info GMs again about your skill its mean you are sux. Daggers report bluff because land to much and cheaters like you dont info about his op skills.
Btw they was informed months ago but update was week ago, so you should info again..
But maybe you want stay with this op skill... So i report it again TNK ^_^
And i think it helps this thread, skill land to much and cubics cant remove it, so failed lein

Soul web cant be healed with cubics/clenanse/soul clenanse

Also:


all have problem with soul web

Tell me 2 ppl plus you that complained about it


you are sux

English FTW


cheaters like you

Do you at least know the meaning of cheater?


op skills

OP? a buff that decrease 20 speed for 20 seconds?


they was informed

English FTW x2


But maybe you want stay with this op skill... So i report it again TNK ^_^
And i think it helps this thread, skill land to much and cubics cant remove it, so failed lein

Why didnt u easily report it and save the rest of the words? Such a waste of brain

[Innie]

Skills Overpowered

Frost Bolt : 2k each hit ? O.O , i try in tanker and i hit 850 each hit xD

[jote22]

Skills Overpowered

Frost Bolt : 2k each hit ? O.O , i try in tanker and i hit 850 each hit xD


fix frost bolt plz QQQQ


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[LoDEspaldi]

frost bolt overpowered :(

but sps cant kill me :D

[Gift]

frost bolt and ice dagger are both OP ATM,and sadly being abused till it gets fixed,then they will reroll back to their main char,or go back to Tank.

[RagoueL]

Both skills are set back to retail untill i get back from work.

[Kai]

I want to know something about stun+defense.I tryed it a lot of times but it never landed.It have decrease land chance or what? Cuz i dont know what i will enchant now!

:cry:

[RagoueL]

I want to know something about stun+defense.I tryed it a lot of times but it never landed.It have decrease land chance or what? Cuz i dont know what i will enchant now!

:cry:

shiled stun?? archers stun? which skill are you talking about?

[Kai]

shiled stun?? archers stun? which skill are you talking about?


upzing srry =P archer stun which decreasing denfens.

[Innie]

Dagger is fine now but

Trick and Switch still not very good ...

I already post and every day i cry QQ xD


Trick no work 1/200 xD !

[Mony_Mony]

Ok i starts cry too.... Increase archers stun QQ we dont have debuffs QQ only this stun QQ and now is very hard stun someone, impossible.. The same chance for stun like daggers got bluff pls QQ


BTW we have now in shillien templar something like pain lvl 3... if you get pain lvl 3 you can use spirit... And my nab question is, why pain ignore magic attacks? :O i mean when mage hit me i never get pain lvl 3..

[RagoueL]

I ll deal with archers now. the only think i boost so far was counter dash and count mind. nothing else.

i ll check pain of shilien too.

[Innie]

I ll deal with archers now. the only think i boost so far was counter dash and count mind. nothing else.

i ll check pain of shilien too.

Trick too ? QQ

[RagoueL]

stuning shot should be better now. try it and tell me if it works.
I already increased Tricks landrate, i wont increase it more. (see bluff results). some skills are ment NOT to land so often as others

[Nelo]

zomg

Misc things that need to be changed.
Class changer/pop-up window aint give 4kk adena for the first class change.

newbies have to spam "PLX ADENA".

[DeShaBoo]

zomg

Misc things that need to be changed.
Class changer/pop-up window aint give 4kk adena for the first class change.

newbies have to spam "PLX ADENA".

I mentioned this arround,the starting adena was just perfect to lvl and get geared >.<

[Mony_Mony]

And about range... i dont know if this is normal or no.. but mage has the same (or almost the same) range as archers.. If i try hit mage, he hit me in same time, if a little run and again try hit, he hit me to.. :/

[GokuSSJ2]

The Gm should put those pvp armors/weapons in gm shop.XD like for 1kkk on each main part armor and 3kkk on each weapon.That wold make the server more cool.Or put them in Medals slot(in the main l2 blaze shop of curse) .

[nikollaz]

The Gm should put those pvp armors/weapons in gm shop.XD like for 1kkk on each main part armor and 3kkk on each weapon.That wold make the server more cool.Or put them in Medals slot(in the main l2 blaze shop of curse) .

Every little dagger with mirage? i dont like it

[GokuSSJ2]

Every little dagger with mirage? i dont like it
Not only daggers XD.Every light user.:cool:
The heavy armor can slow the hitters.:D.>.> for you.

[nikollaz]

Not only daggers XD.Every light user.:cool:
The heavy armor can slow the target.:D.>.> for you.

Only atk spd, robe user ftw :x

[GokuSSJ2]

Robe:when being attacked decreases the damage received from critical hit rate and critical damage.
All those skills from pvp armors got a chance of giving those skills from those conditions.

[nikollaz]

Robe:when being attacked decreases the damage received from critical hit rate and critical damage.
All those skills from pvp armors got a chance of giving those skills from those conditions.

All are good escept Heavy >.>

Well i stop my spam here

[GokuSSJ2]

Only atk spd, robe user ftw :x


All are good escept Heavy >.>

Well i stop my spam here
The heavy dose not decreases the attack speed XD it decreases the speed :cool:.
Tanks can kill easy.

[Mony_Mony]

Very good this is not in gm shop.. we dont have balanced skills and class.. and at last something what is really hard to get :D for me its nice :P not so fast players get this fame ^_^

[DeShaBoo]

Shackle[Pk/Hk] land rate still sucks.

[RagoueL]

Shackle[Pk/Hk] land rate still sucks.

shackle should be better now.

[Faby]

Very good this is not in gm show.. we dont have balanced skills and class.. and at last something what is really hard to get :D for me its nice :P not so fast players get this fame ^_^
^__^ :+1: ^__^
Some day i'll have fame =D !!

[Mony_Mony]

But what about range.. mage range and archers must be the same (or almost the same) ? QQ

[Nelo]

Trick no work QQ

Its works, but it aint land.:cookie:

[RagoueL]

Then why everytime i use it it lands 9/10????????????????????????????????

[Nelo]

Then why everytime i use it it lands 9/10????????????????????????????????

Why do u asking us? U r the gm.

[RagoueL]

just tested trick on pvp and on mobs. lands 90% .

[RagoueL]

From now on when your reffering to a skill, you ll first tell me what you think the skill is suppose to do and how it works and then tell me whats wrong with it.
If you dont even know how a skills works or how it lands ask someone who knows before reporting a malfunction.
It will save me time not trying to fix something that already works great!
:ty:

[DeShaBoo]

Feel free to ask me in a pm.

[Amarie]

No pm's all skill modification should be on pulic display so everyone knows.

[DeShaBoo]

No pm's all skill modification should be on pulic display so everyone knows.

I mean pm me if people dont know how a skill should work (wich obviously many people dont) you are still mad at me?

[Nelo]

I mean pm me if people dont know how a skill should work (wich obviously many people dont) you are still mad at me?

google

[DeShaBoo]

google

I know more,and there is stuff thats hard to find :P

Now more ontopic: Add a casting time to mount and unmount the horse and the tiger,people its using it to escape.

[Nelo]

I know more,and there is stuff thats hard to find :P

Now more ontopic: Add a casting time to mount and unmount the horse and the tiger,people its using it to escape.

LMAO XD
who cant use google?
- - -
Setting re-use on stuff which is only for feshion ofc ofc.
Buy one and use it urself.

[DeShaBoo]

LMAO XD
who cant use google?
- - -
Setting re-use on stuff which is only for feshion ofc ofc.
Buy one and use it urself.

No,cuz im tired of every single dude i try to pvp run when he gets owned,we removed bsoes to encourage pvp and as before the update pets should also get a cast time to mount them.

[Nelo]

No,cuz im tired of every single dude i try to pvp run when he gets owned,we removed bsoes to encourage pvp and as before the update pets should also get a cast time to mount them.

So re-use shoul setted cuz U cant catch them.
Deal with it.

[DeShaBoo]

So re-use shoul setted cuz U cant catch them.
Deal with it.

Cuz no one can,and anything that avoids pvp in a pvp server should be nerfed/reduced/removed.

[Gift]

starting with that coward Gforce.they make pvp disgusting,im ashamed to even hit such a coward. i dont wanna waste even 1 shot on that coward. they make pvp ugly,a waste of time,horrible,boring,annoying,like OMG are u serious? so yes,make it like it is when u mount a strider,lets see that coward escape like that.

[Nelo]

And btw setting reuse wont solve ur problem anyways.
It can still be used.

[nikollaz]

starting with that coward Gforce.they make pvp disgusting,im ashamed to even hit such a coward. i dont wanna waste even 1 shot on that coward. they make pvp ugly,a waste of time,horrible,boring,annoying,like OMG are u serious? so yes,make it like it is when u mount a strider,lets see that coward escape like that.

WTB hate xD

[Nelo]

WTB hate xD

It avoids pvp sry no hate for u.

[DeShaBoo]

And btw setting reuse wont solve ur problem anyways.
It can still be used.

Fine lets make it not summonable during fight stance.

[Gift]

And btw setting reuse wont solve ur problem anyways.
It can still be used.

ofc it can still be used,but it'll take a while to summon,by that time,they'll prolly get stunned,shackled,slowed or killed

[Nelo]

Fine lets make it not summonable during fight stance.

Sounds better.

[Gift]

Fine lets make it not summonable during fight stance.

now lets pressure GM's into making this happen.just like they cant summon pets during combat..

[Nelo]

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/545/shot00016.jpg
aint work
Always the same dmg 0-5 souls

[Mony_Mony]

Increase weight limit QQ for all QQ

[nikollaz]

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/545/shot00016.jpg
aint work
Always the same dmg 0-5 souls

I've already reported it, but nobody cared about it

[Mony_Mony]

OP skill
Shillien templar - freezing strike
with ench only +12 give 1,5k damage
tested now

[RagoueL]

now lets pressure GM's into making this happen.just like they cant summon pets during combat..

lol guys i ve allready reduce the horses speed -30% actually its the same as it was before the update. (cephius notes :P )

[Nelo]

GIVE KAMAEL SOME LUV.
sry caps

[DeShaBoo]

lol guys i ve allready reduce the horses speed -30% actually its the same as it was before the update. (cephius notes :P )

They have no casting time when mounting,either remove all the speed increase or make it have a casting time to mount.

[Innie]

12 anchors / lighting strike in 9 minutes ^^ Please more ?

[Mony_Mony]

Lightning strike 10sec and land 1/11 or more.

BTW CAN SOMEONE FIX THIS FUKIN ANCHOR FROM SOULTAKER or we stay with this forever.

[RagoueL]

Btw Dual Daggers bug (you cant move and look like a robot) its not a bug. The animation for other races/classes is missing thats why you look like that.

Sacrifice no longer heals the caster but removes more hp that it gives.
Mystic immunity is ONLY for party members not the caster.

[Cephius]

They have no casting time when mounting,either remove all the speed increase or make it have a casting time to mount.

I have to agree here. I gave them a (I think 3 second cast time)

[RagoueL]

I have to agree here. I gave them a (I think 3 second cast time)

Done :P (thanks for the notes Gavin)

[Cephius]

Done :P (thanks for the notes Gavin)

:thumb:

[Oryza]

I don't know how many times Bluff go up 1/15 -> 14/15 and go down 14/15 -> 1/15 but now it's 1/15 with Full RB and Frint.

If it's too difficult to control, GM can just increase 30-50 point mental attack for dagger instead of increase or decrease landing rate.

[TeyTey]

I don't know how many times Bluff go up 1/15 -> 14/15 and go down 14/15 -> 1/15 but now it's 1/15 with Full RB and Frint.

If it's too difficult to control, GM can just increase 30-50 point mental attack for dagger instead of increase or decrease landing rate.

bluff is ok now -.- dont QQ much

[nikollaz]

But 1 bluff is enought to kill a mage, why do you need too much rate?

[Innie]

Skills landing to often

Imbue Dark Seed - Back to 100&#37; and no have delay

Anchor - Simple 99.99%

[InfinityI]

Neew:

Repair the skill Sacrifice of phoenix Khing


thank you

[jose]

Gm... the skill sacrifice but does not cure why ?

Repair the skill

[TeyTey]

Skills landing to often

Imbue Dark Seed - Back to 100% and no have delay

Anchor - Simple 99.99%

+1 When GM will solve this.......... skill dont land too often anymore its just 100% w/o any reuse do smth pls

[LoDEspaldi]

+1 When GM will solve this.......... skill dont land too often anymore its just 100% w/o any reuse do smth pls


bluff is ok now -.- dont QQ much

Both QQ more.....Mi Importants Skill All Are Nefred want u do want now

Allucard hit me For 6k when he is paralized start to QQ again WTF...

Focus in anothers skills i sick of teytey,sunrise,allucard always crying

rulete nefred,warp nefred (dash too but have more time to use), create dark seed nefred, imbue now have less land rate.....soul barrier nefred(reuse time) pranah less duration.....

only good is dekoy.. :D

REMEBER I NEED 3 DARK SEED TO KILL 1 DAGER CUZ HAVE MUCH EVASION

PROBE TO USE DARK SEED WHIT A CHAR WHIOUT FRITEZA

[GokuSSJ2]

Both QQ more.....Mi Importants Skill All Are Nefred want u do want now

Allucard hit me For 6k when he is paralized start to QQ again WTF...

Focus in anothers skills i sick of teytey,sunrise,allucard always crying

rulete nefred,warp nefred (dash too but have more time to use), create dark seed nefred, imbue now have less land rate.....soul barrier nefred(reuse time) pranah less duration.....

only good is dekoy.. :D

REMEBER I NEED 3 DARK SEED TO KILL 1 DAGER CUZ HAVE MUCH EVASION

PROBE TO USE DARK SEED WHIT A CHAR WHIOUT FRITEZA
XD 6k from Allucard He hardly hits me 2.5k with a backstab.:+1: lols.

[Innie]

XD 6k from Allucard He hardly hits me 2.5k with a backstab.:+1: lols.

2.5 no crit QQ , crit like 5k easy ^^



Both QQ more.....Mi Importants Skill All Are Nefred want u do want now

Allucard hit me For 6k when he is paralized start to QQ again WTF...

Focus in anothers skills i sick of teytey,sunrise,allucard always crying

rulete nefred,warp nefred (dash too but have more time to use), create dark seed nefred, imbue now have less land rate.....soul barrier nefred(reuse time) pranah less duration.....

only good is dekoy.. :D

REMEBER I NEED 3 DARK SEED TO KILL 1 DAGER CUZ HAVE MUCH EVASION
Allucard hit me For 6k when he is paralized start to QQ again WTF...

Focus in anothers skills i sick of teytey,sunrise,allucard always crying

rulete nefred,warp nefred (dash too but have more time to use), create dark seed nefred, imbue now have less land rate.....soul barrier nefred(reuse time) pranah less duration.....

only good is dekoy.. :D

REMEBER I NEED 3 DARK SEED TO KILL 1 DAGER CUZ HAVE MUCH EVASION

PROBE TO USE DARK SEED WHIT A CHAR WHIOUT FRITEZA

I can hit u 8k shut up

Anchor have 100&#37; land chance

Learn how buff and get acuracy , or pray to win one acuracy passive .

[TeyTey]

Both QQ more.....Mi Importants Skill All Are Nefred want u do want now

Allucard hit me For 6k when he is paralized start to QQ again WTF...

Focus in anothers skills i sick of teytey,sunrise,allucard always crying

rulete nefred,warp nefred (dash too but have more time to use), create dark seed nefred, imbue now have less land rate.....soul barrier nefred(reuse time) pranah less duration.....

only good is dekoy.. :D

REMEBER I NEED 3 DARK SEED TO KILL 1 DAGER CUZ HAVE MUCH EVASION

PROBE TO USE DARK SEED WHIT A CHAR WHIOUT FRITEZA

sure lets put bluff 100% and w/o reuse and we will see who QQ cuz right now Seed dont hav any reuse and land 100%

[Mony_Mony]

reuse on this skill.. my lightning have reuse so put the same reuse on kamaels anchor

[TeyTey]

reuse on this skill.. my lightning have reuse so put the same reuse on kamaels anchor
ur Lighting hav reuse and dont land like this Seed -.- lets put Lighting 100% too xD

[Innie]

Reuse and land rate of dark seed atm like 100&#37; ><

[nikollaz]

Are you going to compare a trickster with a st? -.-

[RagoueL]

I don't know how many times Bluff go up 1/15 -> 14/15 and go down 14/15 -> 1/15 but now it's 1/15 with Full RB and Frint.

If it's too difficult to control, GM can just increase 30-50 point mental attack for dagger instead of increase or decrease landing rate.

As i ve said again Bluff is ok now . Some skills are not suppose to land so often


Skills landing to often

Imbue Dark Seed - Back to 100% and no have delay

Anchor - Simple 99.99%

I can hardlly land achor 1/20 on a player i dont know what m.def you guys have and it lands on you all the time.


Neew:

Repair the skill Sacrifice of phoenix Khing


thank you

The skill sacrifice is working like it should be. Its not suppose to heal the caster .

[Innie]

As i ve said again Bluff is ok now . Some skills are not suppose to land so often



I can hardlly land achor 1/20 on a player i dont know what m.def you guys have and it lands on you all the time.



The skill sacrifice is working like it should be. Its not suppose to heal the caster .

3600 M.def + 305 Dark resist

And anchor + Dark seed land 100% on me and in Tey

[RagoueL]

3600 M.def + 305 Dark resist

And anchor + Dark seed land 100% on me and in Tey

kk we ll test them when i get online (after work)

[Innie]

kk we ll test them when i get online (after work)

Okay good work , today is holiday in Brasil xD !

Pm me later

[Nelo]

3600 M.def + 305 Dark resist

And anchor + Dark seed land 100% on me and in Tey

u can have 3454356435 dark resist and it won't help you.
206 is the max u need.

[GokuSSJ2]

2.5 no crit QQ , crit like 5k easy ^^

When I used my armor full holy XD I sow your backstab last time 2.5.You have a chance of lethal 2 :D.That is why I want to make a ninja those days,dagger is back as it has to be(with the damage) XD.

[Nix]

3600 M.def + 305 Dark resist

And anchor + Dark seed land 100% on me and in Tey


What Mdef and Dark rezist have to do with paralize debuffs ? O.o , sacrifice dose heal the caster .

[RagoueL]

What Mdef and Dark rezist have to do with paralize debuffs ? O.o , sacrifice dose heal the caster .

Its like telling me Shilien elders recharge can reg her own mp..
Sacrifice should remove hp from the caster not heal him.

[Nix]

Its like telling me Shilien elders recharge can reg her own mp..
Sacrifice should remove hp from the caster not heal him.

check all oficial forums , this is actualy a strategy for palladins , thats why on retail some pally's use acumen sword . And don't compare mana gain or recharge (there it says u can't use it on oracles etc.) with sacrifice (there it says a target), and it actualy removes hp ... but depends of ur gear if it adds it back or no.

[RagoueL]

check all oficial forums , this is actualy a strategy for palladins , thats why on retail some pally's use acumen sword . And don't compare mana gain or recharge (there it says u can't use it on oracles etc.) with sacrifice (there it says a target), and it actualy removes hp ... but depends of ur gear if it adds it back or no.


From lineage home page. Races/class transfer/skills

Restores another character's HP by sacrificing your own. Power 1170.

[RagoueL]

As for stigma of shillien if anyone can help us translate this lol

席琳的聖痕（Lv.40）

* 大幅降低目標對近戰武器的防禦力
* 席琳長老

[Nix]

http://lineage2.rochand.com/Knowledge/race_human.php?my_class=human_paladin


Sacrifices user's HP to restore a target's HP with XXX Power.Oficial site is way outdated.

[TeyTey]

Sacrifices user's HP to restore a target's HP with XXX Power.Oficial site is way outdated.

and then be unbeatable in oly LOL

[Nix]

http://forum.pmfun.com/viewtopic.php?p=109175
http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=203593
http://www.l2guru.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-123534.html

[Mony_Mony]

Lol about kamael and his anchor i say only this.. increase reuse skill because he use it all the time, ok maybe they fail 1/5 but you dont know when they use this skill 5 times O.O skill dont have reuse so we see only when it land.

[Innie]

When I used my armor full holy XD I sow your backstab last time 2.5.You have a chance of lethal 2 :D.That is why I want to make a ninja those days,dagger is back as it has to be(with the damage) XD.


I no use holy i use sand elemental (Wind + earth :))

[GokuSSJ2]

I no use holy i use sand elemental (Wind + earth :))
XD.:crazy: stuff.I'm gona do a ninja 2.I played since the beginning as dagger since c dmg is back I will go back on it.
I think I've found his name.

[Nelo]

I no use holy i use sand elemental (Wind + earth :))

LMAO that's nice ^^

[Rapgano]

I no use holy i use sand elemental (Wind + earth :))

what the..?

[Innie]

Cheat elementals xD

[RagoueL]

which skill is the one with no reuse time? dark seed? imbue dark seed?? which one?

I double the reuse on imbue dark seed.

[TeyTey]

which skill is the one with no reuse time? dark seed? imbue dark seed?? which one?

I double the reuse on imbue dark seed.

Imbue Dark Seed

btw what was the reuse?

[RagoueL]

Imbue Dark Seed

btw what was the reuse?

about 10 sec

[RagoueL]

Increase reuse and land rate cuz atm like 100% ><

I said i already did.. read the previous posts not just the last one.

[InfinityI]

Neew :


WTF
Raguoel:
The skill sacrifice is working like it should be. Its not suppose to heal the caster .


Gm my sacrifice is not a cure as it should have entered my account and see ... thanks :S

[Gift]

that sacrifice skill heals who ever the target is,caster or none caster,and it has no mp useage from what i've been told by tanks.thats why they heal like bishops in oly,and as a summoner,with 3 sec reuse delay on my augment,low dmg output to tank due to high mdef,and mana running out within 1 minute,how do u think i feel about this?....

:(

[Gift]

I ll talk about sacrifice with Fire and Amarie and we ll see what are we gonna do.



Gifts i already reduce the reuse delay on augments twice the second time we did it together i asked you if its ok and you sent yes.

the truth is,before gracia final,the augment skill had no reuse delay,cuz it was weak and uses quite alot of mana in oly,after server went gracia,then this crazy reuse delay was added,there for making it bad for bishops and worst on summoners,the reuse u put on it now its 100% better than it was after the server went to gracia,but its like this now cuz fire did'nt say if he wants to keep the reuse delay or not,or i dont know if thats ur decision,either way,if there was no more reuse delay,then everyone will reroll healer again and abuse them until it gets nerfed again,but as i said before,these augment nukes are weak,cuz they're not supposed to compare to real nuke skills,but they also consume alot of mana in oly,and if we cant kill a certain class before mana runs out,its automatic game over..

[RagoueL]

Sacrifice is back to as it was (healing the caster too) but has more reuse delay.

[nikollaz]

The classic tactic of retail tricksters is: slow trap-stun trap-real target

And lets eat arrows

But like they dont work here, they only have seeds

If you want seeds have a longer re-use, make other skills work and we are fine i think, like

Traps in general (Oblivion one hasnt l2j support i think)
Decoy Should agro nearby enemies

Let me know if some of them are working correctly, so is my mistake, I made it according to my last trickster

Peace! :redevil:

[nikollaz]

Lod dont lie because you can kill archer. At this moment archer is more nab than kamael. So stfu and who cry. Soultaker cant have op anchor, sk cant so why kamael can? i dont like write all the time this, but show me server where kamaels are so unbalanced like here. Then we can talk, finish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0m74uhckHA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45m7iSYR1GY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odu-gA31vL4

And if you have time, this is a video from the hero sh of Retail:

http://clanoblivion.net/fraps/Team_IKEA_Cad.avi

Retail is so unbalanced, go QQ there honey

Also, are you comparing (again) a trickster with a necro and with a sk? God they are different classes, is so hard?

[RagoueL]

BTW: Adventurer has a skill named "LURE" :+1: please give it a little land rate on pvp :red:

If ur trying to cast lure on players its useless i ve allready trying it and its doesnt work (tested with outbreak) on mobs it works great.

As for imbue dark seed i didnt nerf it its like it was.. i just increased the reuse time cause basically its on retail values

[Nix]

If ur trying to cast lure on players its useless i ve allready trying it and its doesnt work (tested with outbreak) on mobs it works great.

As for imbue dark seed i didnt nerf it its like it was.. i just increased the reuse time cause basically its on retail values

lure dosen't work on players anymore ...

[Nix]

u are a nab , that could be a normal hit (the hits u show in ss) :) , and that freezing strike lands very rare , so stop cry , to do 1K + damage freezing strike has to do 2 things , 1) to land , 2) to be a magical critical (pretty rare thing)... and i didn't had magical sword , that could increase a bit the damage but not that much as u show . did i mention ur a nab? , Note* to ur note ... ur not a tank u don't have "Deflect magic"

[sa66ko]

u are a nab , that could be a normal hit (the hits u show in ss) :) , and that freezing strike lands very rare , so stop cry , to do 1K + damage freezing strike has to do 2 things , 1) to land , 2) to be a magical critical (pretty rare thing)... and i didn't had magical sword , that could increase a bit the damage but not that much as u show . did i mention ur a nab? , Note* to ur note ... ur not a tank u don't have "Deflect magic"

u got it wrong he is a tank,hes using heavy and shield dont forget that

[Oryza]

u are a nab , that could be a normal hit (the hits u show in ss) :) , and that freezing strike lands very rare , so stop cry , to do 1K + damage freezing strike has to do 2 things , 1) to land , 2) to be a magical critical (pretty rare thing)... and i didn't had magical sword , that could increase a bit the damage but not that much as u show . did i mention ur a nab? , Note* to ur note ... ur not a tank u don't have "Deflect magic"

Any normal hit could make me 700+ dmg :redevil:? QQ Only GM could do like that.

700+dmg could be: SH with magic dmg, ohhh no ... Ranger can't do that much with crit hit, warrior could do with maximum focus, nooo ... dagger cant blows that much just about 500 or lower (because I dont have any debuff Pdef, and no dagger from behind)

I dont mean Freezing Strike land or not, i consider its dmg only. BTW: I stand not far from you, and we just make duel to test its dmg. You can see in chat box ... :P and I don't even hit her QQ. Remember that we are in duel mode

[Mony_Mony]

Omg big problem.. just ench freezing strike to +12/+15 put dance for mage and hit 1k and more.. was about this, gm reduce it but still skill need more reduce.. and when you put mage weapon sk hit like a nuker ^^

Btw do something with daggers with shield.. dagger in heavy armor pvp and + shield wtf tank? maybe add him skills +def -.-

[Innie]

/agree nerf daggers status with heavy , cuz can tank how one tank class ><

[sa66ko]

just add restriction...

[nikollaz]

Nix (Shilien Templar) hit me only 200/hit with Freezing but ....

I test with 1 "Pro" SK not Nix (Because she called me a nab, that made me cry a river, and Nix not as Pro as she appear)

And ... this is the result
I have around 700 dmg/hit with Siurek (a very good SH) and 1k7dmg crit

But with Shilien Templar ... plz see in SS

*Note: I'm almost as a Tank :backstab: and I dont think Im weak mdef QQ

Cade? a good sk? O.o And innie has the best english of the server xD

PD: Love u innie <3


dude are u on drugz? whats wrong with u are u that mentaly crashed to edit her post,in ur posts u always sound like a def prostitute chocking on a dick dude lol

Love me more honey :redevil:


Also, when i fight against sk that use freezing strike, and drains, i just ROFLMAO xD

[sa66ko]

Love me more honey :redevil:


Also, when i fight against sk that use freezing strike, and drains, i just ROFLMAO xD

oh dude I dont love u ,i dislike u because u dont respect girls like mony I bet u stare at man's asses in real life, argentinian ass lol

[nikollaz]

Mony is a girl? haha


argentinian ass lol

Thanks for the retarded /selfowned ^^

[sa66ko]

Mony is a girl? haha



Thanks for the retarded /selfowned ^^

oh lol argentinian ass :(

[Oryza]

just add restriction...

Any restriction from retail from C1 to now ?

:angry: Or you see all heavy daggers are good ? Sorry Light daggers are good too ...

for PRO Innie "/agree nerf daggers status with heavy , cuz can tank how one tank class >< " :love: nerf what ? there's still something to nerf ? lol nothing more to nerf man :red:

[Innie]

Any restriction from retail from C1 to now ?

:angry: Or you see all heavy daggers are good ? Sorry Light daggers are good too ...

for PRO Innie "/agree nerf daggers status with heavy , cuz can tank how one tank class >< " :love: nerf what ? there's still something to nerf ? lol nothing more to nerf man :red:

Dagger with 5600 P.def ? isnt tanker ?


@To lenix ~~> Stop perv me

[Oryza]

Dagger with 5600 P.def ? isnt tanker ?


@To lenix ~~> Stop perv me

Are you cheater ??? 5600 Pdef ???? ROFL :love: what are you talking about ? Please give us a reference lol ...

Ohh dear ... Innie :love:

[Innie]

Are you cheater ??? 5600 Pdef ???? ROFL :love: what are you talking about ? Please give us a reference lol ...

Ohh dear ... Innie :love:


I cant say who ... xD


Stop perv me -.-"

[Mony_Mony]

oh dude I dont love u ,i dislike u because u dont respect girls like mony I bet u stare at man's asses in real life, argentinian ass lol

I see lein really want me to put ss, when he <3 me and write to me nice.. "you are special and you know that", "our destiny is keeping us together, isnt it? "
But Mony :love: Tey, and sometimes i dont know what more angry him.. when i have right write about him or my <3 to Tey :D:D:D
I told he loves me.. you really need ss to believe on it?

[Mony_Mony]

Dagger with 5600 P.def ? isnt tanker ?

Nah just remove shields from dagger class, thats all..
For some class dagger in heavy pvp armor (and +fukin shield) is almost like a tank now..
16k hp? or something like this, 4k p def? and they do big damage..
For me only remove shield and all will be good.

(2 post because i dont know which spam GM del :P )

[Oryza]

My dagger char only have 4k6 Pdef with all Sub class Pdef skills and aug Pdef passive QQ how can you have 5k6 pdef ? It must be cheaterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr QQ

With light armor you can have 4k1 with all Pdef Sub skills and aug Pdef passive ... that's only 500 pdef differents .... but light armor you have very very high evasion skills, reduce 35&#37; crit dmg and crit chance ....

Please realize that ... not every heavy dagger is as good as a tank ! That's my point. Come West and see Teytey, Outbreak, Silentassasin kill Heavy dagger with or without mira 100% ... with or without mira from pvp armor ... QQ

[Oryza]

Nah just remove shields from dagger class, thats all..
For some class dagger in heavy pvp armor (and +fukin shield) is almost like a tank now..
16k hp? or something like this, 4k p def? and they do big damage..
For me only remove shield and all will be good.

(2 post because i dont know which spam GM del :P )

Fix dual dagger skills with soul shot, we will never use shield lol.
BTW: not big dmg ... only 300-600dmg /blow but it misses (Adventurer) (land rate about 30&#37; ) only Elf or Delf dagger have nearly 100% land rate.

[sa66ko]

I see lein really want me to put ss, when he <3 me and write to me nice.. "you are special and you know that", "our destiny is keeping us together, isnt it? "
But Mony :love: Tey, and sometimes i dont know what more angry him.. when i have right write about him or my <3 to Tey :D:D:D
I told he loves me.. you really need ss to believe on it?

:pokeball: =)

[Innie]

I think Freezing Strike never will be fixed

[Oryza]

I dont know but GM has deleted my post with Screen shot, may be I made them upset :P

[Nix]

I dont know but GM has deleted my post with Screen shot, may be I made them upset :P

Comeon , don't u have some pvp to do or , something .. .w/e u do ... cut the crap with these skills , like lure and freezing strike ... concentrate on more important skills ... 50% of tricksters skills don't work(for example) ... and there are many other important things that are bugged ... not a stupid skill that barely lands , and lure that dosen't have huge importance in pvp .
And daggers skills don't use ss (nice one) , TH dosen't land skills ... why it should do if u play it as a tank .

[Oryza]

Comeon , don't u have some pvp to do or , something .. .w/e u do ... cut the crap with these skills , like lure and freezing strike ... concentrate on more important skills ... 50% of tricksters skills don't work(for example) ... and there are many other important things that are bugged ... not a stupid skill that barely lands , and lure that dosen't have huge importance in pvp .
And daggers skills don't use ss (nice one) , TH dosen't land skills ... why it should do if u play it as a tank .

Because a ST is a tank not a nuker, and because I have to vote all my time instead pvp to find more bugs .... :waa:

[Nix]

Because a ST is a tank not a nuker, and because I have to vote all my time instead pvp to find more bugs .... :waa:

thank u very much for your time hun :ohwell:

[Innie]

Skill Overpowered


Freezing Strike - Damage is same of one nuker , but in one tank


I go post , post , post at our loved GM's fix this skill ^^

[Gift]

no wonder cade took down all my CP with just freezing strike,i knew there was something that was'nt right when that happened,then i tested it out with my SK,and yea,freezing strike is OP atm,doing the same dmg as a nuke? not even my nuke augment can do that much dmg :( no fair

[DeShaBoo]

Vesper heavy sets shoulnt be able to be used by daggers/archer class,same with shields imo.

[Oryza]

Vesper heavy sets shoulnt be able to be used by daggers/archer class,same with shields imo.

If it's true, please do it with Grand Khavatari :redevil: with heavy GK is impossible to 1 vs 1 QQ Duelist down easily ^^
But in retail we can use heavy with all class, cant we ?

[Innie]

If it's true, please do it with Grand Khavatari :redevil: with heavy GK is impossible to 1 vs 1 QQ Duelist down easily ^^
But in retail we can use heavy with all class, cant we ?

+1 Totem ogre + heavy = 54841548417 P.def + 4584184178418 HP xD !


Only TyrantG use Light ^^

[Rapgano]

i thought GK can wear Heavy and Light AmorO.o

[Six]

But in retail we can use heavy with all class, cant we ?

kamaels cant...

[aura1993]

i agree with desh,now all fighters in the server wear heavy(archers,GK,daggers).they suppose to wear light.why nobody try to go for max evasion instead of max p def.If they wear it so they have a chance agaisnt a dualist or a GK they should know that dualist and GK are made to kill daggers:tongue:.That is my opinion:cheer:

[RagoueL]

And what about all those people who spend money making heavy armors for their chars?
Do you know how much QQ we d have if i put restrictions to vepser??


p.s btw freezing strike is ok now..

[Oryza]

And what about all those people who spend money making heavy armors for their chars?
Do you know how much QQ we d have if i put restrictions to vepser??

If we have restrictions for armor ... or weapon named L2blaze ... I will back to retail where I dont have any lol restrictions

QQ more tanks ...

:ty: NCsoft

[Innie]

p.s btw freezing strike is ok now..

Ty <3

[DeShaBoo]

And what about all those people who spend money making heavy armors for their chars?
Do you know how much QQ we d have if i put restrictions to vepser??


p.s btw freezing strike is ok now..

A set takes what 4 days? maybe a week if you are bad at enchanting as a max.

Ps: Duelist got heavy armor mastery,Gk dont.

[Innie]

A set takes what 4 days? maybe a week if you are bad at enchanting as a max.

Ps: Duelist got heavy armor mastery,Gk dont.

+1 :(

[DeShaBoo]

Make only classes with heavy armor mastery be able to wear heavy/shields,then make evasion 250 max instead of 200,should be fine.

Notes:
Escape shackle shouldnt remove magical based roots such as dryad root,throne root,overlord seal and augments only arrest/shackle from tanks/dancers.
Stigma of Shilien still dont land at all.
Throne Root stills dont land at all.
Doombringers skill damage its still completly wrong,should be way higher.

[Innie]

Doombringers skill damage its still completly wrong,should be way higher.


No forgot , stun 100% , disarm 100% & e death mark 100% ^^

[Mony_Mony]

No forgot , stun 100% , disarm 100% & e death mark 100% ^^

+3.. but when we write disarm 100% desh write "as it should be". So we back to option make server better (for desh).

[DeShaBoo]

Go watch some doombringers videos in youtube,disarm its about to 100&#37; land rate even non enchanted and dont even ask about +30 one,i dont see whats the point of having one good skill if all their damage skills are missing at least 300% damage,also doombringer skills doesnt benefit from p atak nor from element so thats a huge damage boost that they dont have not to mention that rush impact doesnt stun and does terrible damage.

[TeyTey]

Go watch some doombringers videos in youtube,disarm its about to 100% land rate

retail? LOL

[Mony_Mony]

Desh make light elf archer.. i want better skills.

[DeShaBoo]

retail? LOL

Yes,probs? go cry to ncsoft.

[TeyTey]

Yes,probs? go cry to ncsoft.

u look so sad ^^ relax and lets put Daggers like retail :)

[DeShaBoo]

u look so sad ^^ relax and lets put Daggers like retail :)

All right,admin rights plix.

[Innie]

Can make my GH how retail too ?, i want hit 4~7 k every back ^^

[GokuSSJ2]

Can make my GH how retail too ?, i want hit 4~7 k every back ^^
And even lethal chances are bigger on retail.

[Innie]

And even lethal chances are bigger on retail.

I can change my Bluff for kamael stun too ^^

[nikollaz]

I can change my Bluff for kamael stun too ^^

You are comparing a dagger that can make 7k each stab with bluff, with a kamael that hardly reachs 500 each hit? -.-

[Oryza]

Dagger is fine now, not OP.

Warrior can kill Dagger easily, Tank is the same ... so what happen with heavy dagger ???
Anyone said dagger heavy is OP so please take SS ? If heavy dagger is better than light armor so why there're many dagger use light armor ? Sorry ... it's just 50/50 Vesper heavy/Dynasty light (my dagger Bamboo with Silentassasin) , and no one has better advantages. Please google for more information and try your best with your knowledge.

Heavy dagger use for resist warrior, to reduce a little bit dmg, not much about 5&#37;, perfection, carebear, and even duelist in my clan can kill my heavy dagger easily. So dont QQ anymore because you just killed by 1 char or 1 class and you think that you are the best of the best of the best .

Please see the best of 1 class vs with the best of other class.

Yesterday LeinX 1 vs 10 and he still alive about 20min ... and no1 cry about nerf more tank. Do you know why ? because he played better than the others. He knows how to play not just come forum QQ after be killed lol.

The server is balance now imo.

P/S: Most heros now from feeding, so dont QQ when hero of your class down.

[Innie]

You are comparing a dagger that can make 7k each stab with bluff, with a kamael that hardly reachs 500 each hit? -.-

Kamael have 20k HP , 1300 attack speed , Body reconstruction , Sword Shield , stun , disarm , violent temper , death mark all 100&#37;

I have my hex +19 and 11k HP lol xD



Dagger is fine now, not OP.

Warrior can kill Dagger easily, Tank is the same ... so what happen with heavy dagger ???
Anyone said dagger heavy is OP so please take SS ? If heavy dagger is better than light armor so why there're many dagger use light armor ? Sorry ... it's just 50/50 Vesper heavy/Dynasty light (my dagger Bamboo with Silentassasin) , and no one has better advantages. Please google for more information and try your best with your knowledge.

Heavy dagger use for resist warrior, to reduce a little bit dmg, not much about 5%, perfection, carebear, and even duelist in my clan can kill my heavy dagger easily. So dont QQ anymore because you just killed by 1 char or 1 class and you think that you are the best of the best of the best .

Please see the best of 1 class vs with the best of other class.

Yesterday LeinX 1 vs 10 and he still alive about 20min ... and no1 cry about nerf more tank. Do you know why ? because he played better than the others. He knows how to play not just come forum QQ after be killed lol.

The server is balance now imo.

P/S: Most heros now from feeding, so dont QQ when hero of your class down.

+1 , 90% of daggers fail and back to your base class xD

[DeShaBoo]

Daggers shouldnt run arround with tanks pdef,just that simple.

[Innie]

Daggers shouldnt run arround with tanks pdef,just that simple.

Heavy user *

I ever use light , to me heavy dagger is n***

[Mony_Mony]

Yesterday LeinX 1 vs 10 and he still alive about 20min ... and no1 cry about nerf more tank. Do you know why ? because he played better than the others. He knows how to play not just come forum QQ after be killed lol.[/B]

Lein use QHP(w/o any reuse LOL) potion and spirit like a crazy ,when QHP fail he take hp from mobs, thats why he die in oly vs tyrant or another sk (eNoob) and next write "i dont use my skills", w/o full buffs and pots he isnt so good(only i see it????), i like watch oly ^_^ Shillien Templar in attack mode, no in def... +hero buffs and castle buffs. Dion castle give good skills btw.. i dont like this style and i dont want play like lein so you can call me noob np :P But i won vs carebear w/o pots and buff and vs many tanks in event and i am happy all the time ^_^

[DeShaBoo]

Make only classes with heavy armor mastery be able to wear heavy/shields,then make evasion 250 max instead of 200,should be fine.

Notes:
Escape shackle shouldnt remove magical based roots such as dryad root,throne root,overlord seal and augments only arrest/shackle from tanks/dancers.
Stigma of Shilien still dont land at all.
Throne Root stills dont land at all.
Doombringers skill damage its still completly wrong,should be way higher.

Bump~

[Oryza]

Daggers shouldnt run arround with tanks pdef,just that simple.

What's tank Pdef ?

A normal dagger with heavy has only 4k1 with +18 full set without Heavy passive without useful buff. So what do you say Tank Pdef here ?? 5k6 Pdef with majesty and a lot usefull self buff ?

I'm sorry to say that but ... a normal heavy dagger is not better than a normal light dagger with very high skill evasion and 3k5 pdef.

Or will you make another NCsoft with those restriction ?:hmm:
You should out and make your l2off to play with anything you want.

[rotfl]

my impression:
daggers are not OP in heavy, they barely survive to tanks, duelists, gk's, titans (tho you don't see a "not nab titan" here around and with this, I don't mean "pro" ones). their bluff is OP. According to me, its land rate should be increased just a bit, but its effect should last just for 1 backstab or 2 seconds. I read someone had problems in beating heavy-daggers with tanks, well I don't have any.

tyrants: they're one of the OP'ed classes of l2blaze, along with evas-templars. I don't say this cuz I just can't win against 'em, they really never die: too much HP and all their stats are much higher than duelists' ones (even their p atk is higher) and skills have got a lower focus' consumption and stun lands like hell. how to solve? put a malus effect whenever they wear an heavy armor, or just don't allow 'em to do that.

tanks: Phoenix knights never dying against a char that ain't aggro. mages may silence 'em, but they don't lose anyway. Although their skill sacrifice has been nerfed in its delay reuse time, they can manage to keep healing like bishops. Eva's templars: I only fought 'em with my duelist, didn't test other classes against 'em, so I don't wanna tell anything else except "I find 'em hard to beat".

archers: few archers in pvp, I can't say anything. Tho I meet some and start a fight, I quit after chasing him for 2 or 3 minutes cuz I get bored...so I never achieve a duel against 'em. ps: they're still nabs at oly.

btw: what happened to my Weapon Blockade?

[Rapgano]

a normal heavy dagger is not better than a normal light dagger with very high skill evasion and 3k5 pdef.



if you think that then you are dump^_^

[DeShaBoo]

What's tank Pdef ?

A normal dagger with heavy has only 4k1 with +18 full set without Heavy passive without useful buff. So what do you say Tank Pdef here ?? 5k6 Pdef with majesty and a lot usefull self buff ?

I'm sorry to say that but ... a normal heavy dagger is not better than a normal light dagger with very high skill evasion and 3k5 pdef.

Or will you make another NCsoft with those restriction ?:hmm:
You should out and make your l2off to play with anything you want.

With no majesty i got 4.8k p def,no augment so a dagger having 4.1k its utterly wrong to any who isnt biased like you are,yes i strongly believe there should be a limitation for GK's/Daggers to wear shields/Heavy armor,due to always being full buffed they reach too much p def and its not their role to be semi tanks with stabs / totems.

[Efarius]

Go watch some doombringers videos in youtube,disarm its about to 100% land rate even non enchanted and dont even ask about +30 one,i dont see whats the point of having one good skill if all their damage skills are missing at least 300% damage,also doombringer skills doesnt benefit from p atak nor from element so thats a huge damage boost that they dont have not to mention that rush impact doesnt stun and does terrible damage.

I've just watched few fids from retail servers, about Berserker class

decription a video in FoG:
a berserker can own like 8 or 10 ppl using rush impact, spamming it.
he was doing such a big damage with that skill, that he had to use 1 or 2 skills more to finish some1
my point is: quit playing Kamael bcuz u will never get it working as it should (retail), well, unless u are a koran and like to play certain class to spam 1 skill

cheers

[RagoueL]

Added shield restriction to classes with shield mastery only
Weapon blockable works fine. i dont see what the problem is.

[DeShaBoo]

Added shield restriction to classes with shield mastery only
Weapon blockable works fine. i dont see what the problem is.

Thanks Chris,also take a look in rush impact stun chance,stigma land rate and escape shackle its broken (it shouldnt remove all kind of roots,just tank/dancers ones)

What about heavy vesper set?


I've just watched few fids from retail servers, about Berserker class

decription a video in FoG:
a berserker can own like 8 or 10 ppl using rush impact, spamming it.
he was doing such a big damage with that skill, that he had to use 1 or 2 skills more to finish some1
my point is: quit playing Kamael bcuz u will never get it working as it should (retail), well, unless u are a koran and like to play certain class to spam 1 skill

cheers

Exactly,a doombringer should be a high dps class with you should fear in the battlefield,not a fried walking chicken with a cool disarm lol.

[Efarius]

Exactly,a doombringer should be a high dps class with you should fear in the battlefield,not a fried walking chicken with a cool disarm lol.

All that is left to say is:

This Class is fucked up on private serwers lets face it xD

1) sky is blue
2) grass is green
3) dommbringer is trash on priv serwers

^
3 general truths of birdman xD

[sa66ko]

P/S: Most heros now from feeding, so dont QQ when hero of your class down.

I lol at u pro dagger with heavy

[DeShaBoo]

All that is left to say is:

This Class is fucked up on private servwers lets face it xD

Its quite simple maths,lets consider that doombringer skills are not affected by p atak,so every enchant on weapon its worthless,then element isnt applied either wich leads to another 80&#37; damage not applied and then you cant enchant them,not even in power thats also more damage missing.The actual damage of rush impact its arround 300/400 on robes users,i suggest a 300% damage increase and a litle boost in rush impact's land rate for stun.

[Efarius]

Its quite simple maths,lets consider that doombringer skills are not affected by p atak,so every enchant on weapon its worthless,then element isnt applied either wich leads to another 80&#37; damage not applied and then you cant enchant them,not even in power thats also more damage missing.The actual damage of rush impact its arround 300/400 on robes users,i suggest a 300% damage increase and a litle boost in rush impact's land rate for stun.

well ok, u say +300% on damage of Rush Impact

U know that whole Bartz gunna cry that "besrerker OP" bcuz they (mages) will get owned in 4 Rush Impacts
so +300% on we know what, aint gunna happen

ppl just cant stand/understand that a certain class can be so strong..

Berserker IN FACT IS PPL
IT'S A FACT FACE IT GO ON RETIAL AND GET RAPED BY BERSERKER BCUZ IT'S FUKING DAMAGE-DEALER PERIOD

Berserker = sealed ownage xD lets pt it that way lo/

[Innie]

Its quite simple maths,lets consider that doombringer skills are not affected by p atak,so every enchant on weapon its worthless,then element isnt applied either wich leads to another 80&#37; damage not applied and then you cant enchant them,not even in power thats also more damage missing.The actual damage of rush impact its arround 300/400 on robes users,i suggest a 300% damage increase and a litle boost in rush impact's land rate for stun.

Time to make one kamael :( , can i have Lighting Shock a boost in 300% land rate chance ? my hold/silence too ?



I know Berseker is stronger , but today one Phanter kamael give me 1900 each critical lol ! i really remake my atributes :(

[sa66ko]

thats how doombringers pwn on retail like they need a health sa wep ,con dyes and they r rdy to spam rush impact lol

[RagoueL]

Thanks Chris,also take a look in rush impact stun chance,stigma land rate and escape shackle its broken (it shouldnt remove all kind of roots,just tank/dancers ones)

What about heavy vesper set?


stigma is a basically a surrender to melle attacks so i incresed the land rate a bit more than usual surenders cause it has more reuse delay.

escape shackle is dif from shackle?? which class has it? <------- found it but has no land rate or anything i could change and the code look fine.

[TeyTey]

Why my +19 Entangle lands 1/10 and Anchor/Hex lands 1/1?

Entangle just makes Players slow LOL and the others one u be Paralyzed for 30sec and Hex 1k+ pdef less ^^ lets nerf them :)

[Innie]

thats how doombringers pwn on retail like they need a health sa wep ,con dyes and they r rdy to spam rush impact lol


Look kamael doombringer on movie , this is really spam Rush Impact xD

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Why my +19 Entangle lands 1/10 and Anchor/Hex lands 1/1?

Entangle just makes Players slow LOL and the others one u be Paralyzed for 30sec and Hex 1k+ pdef less ^^ lets nerf them :)


w/o Hex , GH make around same damage it Elf :(

And Expose weakpoint land rate is very good and is better then Hex ^^

Anchor like 100&#37; again

Entangle need love

[sa66ko]

Look kamael doombringer on movie , this is really spam Rush Impact xD

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w/o Hex , GH make around same damage it Elf :(

And Expose weakpoint land rate is very good and is better then Hex ^^

Anchor like 100% again

Entangle need love

oh fook redsky u gotta luv em ,and for ITT they r like koreans- numbers but suck donkey balls lol

[DeShaBoo]

stigma is a basically a surrender to melle attacks so i incresed the land rate a bit more than usual surenders cause it has more reuse delay.

escape shackle is dif from shackle?? which class has it? <------- found it but has no land rate or anything i could change and the code look fine.

Chris i mean escape shackle from daggers class,allows you to escape from shackle/arrest but in blaze it lets you escape magical roots such as dryad root and overlord seal,it shouldnt do the last.Stigma should have a realy high land rate,its what makes Shilien Saint what it is since gracia final.

Now as for doombringers,300&#37; damage in rush impact will allow them to do arround 900~1k rush impacts,wich is way lower than dagger blows hit on robe users and it also requires you to have a range in betwen the target,so its easy to avoid unless the person its running.

[Efarius]

Why my +19 Entangle lands 1/10 and Anchor/Hex lands 1/1?

Entangle just makes Players slow LOL and the others one u be Paralyzed for 30sec and Hex 1k+ pdef less ^^ lets nerf them :)

hax em -.-
2x1

[RagoueL]

Why my +19 Entangle lands 1/10 and Anchor/Hex lands 1/1?

Entangle just makes Players slow LOL and the others one u be Paralyzed for 30sec and Hex 1k+ pdef less ^^ lets nerf them :)

Hex was way to much.. x10 (we tried to give all skills a x10 boost with fire the first day after restart, didnt work so we put them back as they were and Hex remaided x10 by mistake) i nerfed it 1/2
Anchors land rate is retail.. it so low i cant nerf it more.

[DeShaBoo]

I agree entangle its kinda low,but again hex its meant to have higher land rate than entangle anyway and when i tested they were just fine.Anchor looks just fine for me o-o

[Innie]

Hex was way to much.. x10 (we tried to give all skills a x10 boost with fire the first day after restart, didnt work so we put them back as they were and Hex remaided x10 by mistake) i nerfed it 1/2
Anchors land rate is retail.. it so low i cant nerf it more.

My hex is +19 and now land 1/4 :(

[DeShaBoo]

My hex is +19 and now land 1/4 :(

Try doing 400,and you might have a number lol,trying a skill less than 50 times makes no sense.

[Innie]

Try doing 400,and you might have a number lol,trying a skill less than 50 times makes no sense.

But 1/4 with +19 isnt bad .... ty rago